Though I do actually think language fluency is overrated. Who actually denies you RP opportunities if you don't speak the proper language? Almost everyone will be all too happy to speak in common with you. The one language you need to know if you don't want to die in certain places is Undercommon and that's fairly easy to pick up. Anyone worth spying on will do their secret meeting behind closed doors in a scry-warded location anyway. Feels like 90% of the time when people speak in a language they didn't get through their race/background, it's for the sole purpose of bragging.
Yes. Languages are a joke. Most of the time it's speaking racial languages where appropriate, or someone speaking 17 different languages to show off.
LM getting extra languages is hardly broken.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Loremasters are to Arelith what Planeswalkers are to Magic the Gathering, they completely changed the game and not for the best. I think the best idea so far is to draw it out, make go up to level 10 instead of level 5 and spread out those cookies, what you get for a 5 level investment is just too much. Is 5 levels of Invisible Blade that good? How about 5 levels of Cavalier, does that compare?
I don't understand how anyone could argue against Loremaster getting a nerf, but then I remember how popular the class is, and the people that don't want change are often the people benefitting from it.
This is so dramatic, lol.
5 levels of Cavalier actually does compare, believe it or not. In fact, you only need to go 4 levels to get some pretty good benefits. And so does something like WM for the 5 level comparison.
Loremaster is ultimately a class that has been taken more for flavor, rp and QOL, rather than strict mechanical power. The far more popular build has been 25 wizard 5 LM, despite being a strictly worse version for PVP.
With the exception of fighter/wm/lm, it's almost always pointlessly shoehorned into builds for QOL goodies, and often not the best option. Paladin/LM is strictly worse to Paladin/Bard. Fighter/BG/LM is worse than the WM variant. Putting it into almost any caster build(with the exception of wizard now) makes it worse. So on and so forth.
Acting like it "completely changed the landscape of the game" is not based in reality at all.
Changing it to a 10 level class would kill it overnight. Martials would not take it because it would ruin their BAB, and casters wouldn't take because they can't be an epic caster with it.
I'll never NOT enjoy the sight of a WM dispelling my summons only to whip out a gate scroll, which was then followed by an in your face beat down as I try to recast.
This isn't even a LM problem. Anyone with 35 UMD can do this. Anyone with 80 lore can do this. Many builds can gear for 80 lore without being LMs.