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Cagus
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Size Knockdown

Post by Cagus »

Hello,
as per description on nwn wiki and in game log, you should not be able to knockdown a character, which is two sizes difference from you.
This mean, if you ,as human (medium), want to KD a dragon (huge), game will tell you " A character can only make a knockdown attempt on opponents that are one size category larger than himself, or smaller." Which is correct and works well.
On the other hand, if you as larger character want to KD smaller character, you will be able to, but should not.

Tested on PGCC.
Human trying to KD dragon (huge) - cannot.
Human trying to KD imp (tiny) - can (ERROR!)
Ogre (large) trying to KD halfling (small) - can (ERROR!)

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Re: Size Knockdown

Post by Kalopsia »

Hmm! That text can be interpreted in both ways. Paraphrasing a bit for clarity:

  • "A character can only make a knockdown attempt on opponents that are one size category larger than himself, or [one size category] smaller"
  • vs. "A character can only make a knockdown attempt on opponents [up to] one size category larger than himself"

Given that we're still using the hardcoded vanilla NWN Knockdown logic, I imagine BioWare went with the second option and just wrote the description a bit ambiguously.

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Re: Size Knockdown

Post by Cagus »

Kalopsia wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:10 pm
  • vs. "A character can only make a knockdown attempt on opponents [up to] one size category larger than himself"

I don't understand this explanation.

Kalopsia wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:10 pm

Given that we're still using the hardcoded vanilla NWN Knockdown logic, I imagine BioWare went with the second option and just wrote the description a bit ambiguously.

This I understand and accept.

I expect no changes will be done then?
If not, close.

Nazmina
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Re: Size Knockdown

Post by Nazmina »

All the various 3.5 srd combat actions mention

"an opponent who is one size category larger than you, the same size, or smaller. "

NWN works according to those rules so it just worded poorly but you have a cap on how large the knockdown target but not how small. Follows with the logic that smaller creatures get penalties to knockdown while larger ones get bonuses.

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