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Can we expect hotfixes to some of the present-day crafting recipes such as healing poultices and portal lenses? It would be both a compromise and a long-awaited change to outdated recipe costs.Septire wrote:But the fullest effect won't really be seen until crafting gets a revamp to make crafting more economical, or until adventuring yields lots of items that can be appraised to merchants.
I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."Lost Valkyrie wrote: It is ironic that the players who have made your lives easier by providing cheap bandages and portal lenses at little profit to themselves are being mocked. Temp essences were indeed big money and now they like many other things will be more expensive. Still these players were helping the community and are now shafted.
Brought down essences and lenses exactly for that purpose, sometimes undercut, sold for no profit, or a profit so low adventuring would have yielded more. It was an ungratifying, terribly boring job. I'm actually glad it has been removed.Trunx wrote:I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."Lost Valkyrie wrote: It is ironic that the players who have made your lives easier by providing cheap bandages and portal lenses at little profit to themselves are being mocked. Temp essences were indeed big money and now they like many other things will be more expensive. Still these players were helping the community and are now shafted.
Yes, temporary essences among other things are now more expensive. Many people will want to buy 1d4s instead of 1d6s if they're short on money. C'est la vie. That has nothing to do with the situation appraise characters now find themselves in.
If you sold for no profit, then it doesn't nerf you that appraise was changed and you can no longer do that to make a profit. Since you weren't making one. So your situation is different from Lost Valkyrie's and others who complain that they wasted skillpoints because they can't do that anymore.A Mystery Clock wrote:Brought down essences and lenses exactly for that purpose, sometimes undercut, sold for no profit, or a profit so low adventuring would have yielded more. It was an ungratifying, terribly boring job. I'm actually glad it has been removed.Trunx wrote:I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."Lost Valkyrie wrote: It is ironic that the players who have made your lives easier by providing cheap bandages and portal lenses at little profit to themselves are being mocked. Temp essences were indeed big money and now they like many other things will be more expensive. Still these players were helping the community and are now shafted.
Yes, temporary essences among other things are now more expensive. Many people will want to buy 1d4s instead of 1d6s if they're short on money. C'est la vie. That has nothing to do with the situation appraise characters now find themselves in.
Argument wouldn't hold as universally as it is being presented here either way.
Means, indeed, sometimes. I am arguing that even when it was done as a form of service for, say, underdarkers, wouldn't justify the argument "all players who did it are unhappy/feel punished by the change", Trunx. It has also been done as a source of profit somewhere down the line, and the point is that no matter how you flip it (personal, passive profit - selflessly providing a service) not all players are disgruntled by this change. I play a long-standing Andunorian merchant who made a reputation out of selfless (???) sale of imported wares, made some money out of it, invested in appraise so early it can't be delevel-rebuilt and I -still- do not feel punished by this update. Like ORK said, and I stressed earlier on in the same topic, it plugged such a huge issue it will benefit the same people who now complain by lowering the inflation for everyone else. Even if it meant taking one for the team, let me assure, it's really a tiny hit. It doesn't cripple concepts. It doesn't rob honest folks of their jobs. Markets change! Sell something else.A Mystery Clock wrote:sometimes
It's more absurd to assume everyone used appraise for essence runs. I know some that used appraise to provide cheap kits and lenses at a loss or at cost. You may not consider this a great service but many will. Likely you have summed the whole issue up into temp essences runs and not looked at the bigger picture.Trunx wrote:I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."Lost Valkyrie wrote: It is ironic that the players who have made your lives easier by providing cheap bandages and portal lenses at little profit to themselves are being mocked. Temp essences were indeed big money and now they like many other things will be more expensive. Still these players were helping the community and are now shafted.
Yes, temporary essences among other things are now more expensive. Many people will want to buy 1d4s instead of 1d6s if they're short on money. C'est la vie. That has nothing to do with the situation appraise characters now find themselves in.
You can still provide cheap kits and lenses at a loss, you don't need appraise for that. If you're truly in it just to Help The Community, nothing's stopping you from still stocking your shop with cheaper lenses and essences.Lost Valkyrie wrote:It's more absurd to assume everyone used appraise for essence runs. I know some that used appraise to provide cheap kits and lenses at a loss or at cost. You may not consider this a great service but many will. Likely you have summed the whole issue up into temp essences runs and not looked at the bigger picture.Trunx wrote:I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."Lost Valkyrie wrote: It is ironic that the players who have made your lives easier by providing cheap bandages and portal lenses at little profit to themselves are being mocked. Temp essences were indeed big money and now they like many other things will be more expensive. Still these players were helping the community and are now shafted.
Yes, temporary essences among other things are now more expensive. Many people will want to buy 1d4s instead of 1d6s if they're short on money. C'est la vie. That has nothing to do with the situation appraise characters now find themselves in.
Your tone leaves a bit to be desired on what is supposed to be a friendly discussion.
Trunx wrote: I think it's absurd to act as if these appraise characters were providing some sort of great service to the community at huge personal cost, as opposed to just making easy, passive, free money by stocking their shop with items bought from NPCs ten feet away. You're not a martyr or Mother Teresa, you were in it to make a profit, and as such don't deserve "the community's respect" for your selfless OOC sacrifice, or any kind of special consideration because you were so "nice."
Irongron wrote:I was doing this for a solid 10 hours yesterday, but still only a fraction of the way through. Mostly one will see a difference on cities and planes, but I expect it to go on being improved over the next week.
Irongron wrote:While the number of drops per creature may seem small, bear in mind that with a greatly expanded matrix we can give some creatures the occasional decent item. The problem we saw in the last 24 hours was with too many items dropping per creature then some of those items were showing regularly. Furthermore, while the _1 item for search may no seem like a huge amount, it will also, by its nature increase the chance of finding something especially good.
But as I say this is all a work in progress, the last few days I've been putting in 10 hours a day on Arelith stuff, and certain team members have been working their socks off to see this happen. Change doesn't come overnight, but in this case, we're moving rapidly in a much-needed direction.
And thanks to the efforts of Scholar Midnight, this show really isn't over yet, keep an eye out for more updates in the coming days.
