Arelith

Definately Not A Mimic wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:03 pm The only idea I don't like is the class restriction. I love playing commoners, I've lvled 2 to 30 fairly easily and plan at least another in the future. However, slaves that can guard their owner absolutely make sense and it seems like it shouldn't be something not able to play. Yes, commoners can be actually fairly viable in fighting but not the greatest guard for epic characters. I'm sure arguments can be made for other classes as well. Hope this change gets re-thought even if it means more limits set on them.

Red Ropes wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:15 pm Something to clarity's sake, in the near future, after various other projects are settled - there will be some adjustments to the slavery system based on some of the valid criticism of it in the thread as well as trying to make it less of a "fun time" from an IC perspective. It will have more logic to it and a lot more nuance.

• Less OOC indicators - you will need to actually RP to find out who owns them. They will simply be owned / unowned.

• Slave calling will not be as reliable due to the nature in DnD of an unwilling teleportation target needing a saving throw.

• Slave calling will have cooldowns.

• Slaving calling will be a feature available only to a master so that slave catching RP can be valid.

• PC-class slavery will no longer be available from the start except for commoners.

• Active slavery shall have restrictions to both writs, disabling of all features involving guilds like the Radiant Heart, Piracy, etc.

• Portals and UD based slaves are being evaluated for ways to disrupt "tourism" slavery / writgaming.

• Freedom will be accessed in more narrative ways and masters will be able to provide it directly for a price.

• More system interaction and in game reaction to the system from NPCs - think banking, access to shops, etc.

The whole goal is to updated the age approach of the system, adjust it so people who want to do it narratively but do not like how set in stone / one sided it is will have options, and to overall make it more healthy in the setting.

fulminea wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:16 pm Personally i am worried about the amount of characters that fall into the "sexy obedient slave girl" category and i wonder if an rpr requirement might help, if not even an application.

D4wN wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:13 am I’ve seen many sides of the slavery system and find there are definitely issues with it. Some things that were mentioned like how all slaves are treated with hostility because they know that it’s an OOC consent thing. It’s awful. But equally slaves who basically act like outcasts and Andunorians. Typically people shouldn’t be okay with being collared. There may be rare exceptions but it shouldn’t be like a badge of honour to wear a collar.

But slave RP can also be incredibly deep and meaningful as I’ve experienced. And very rewarding. Many of the issues people seem to have with the system seems to have less to do with the mechanical aspects / system of slavery and more with community stuff. I.e. how people RP being a slave or when they encounter a (ex) slave. Or the weird sexual things people describe. I think it’s more those things that are the issue than the system itself. And those things should be reported and addressed. Slavery RP or not, many things mentioned in this thread shouldn’t be okay in general.

As for an easy start? Hardly. Writs in the UD are way harder than the surface writs. Most slaves get treated like dirt and cattle and get very little help with them. Making a lot of gold? No more than you would starting as an UDer or a Surfacer. I’m not sure what that statement was based on. In fact, for many slaves it’s harder to make gold since I often hear they are required to pay part of their earnings to their owners. As for the portal use? As soon as you’re not a slave anymore you can’t use them. So I don’t see the problem. Andunor doesn’t typically welcome chainbreakers with open arms.

And that’s another point for me. I find the slavery system can generate a ton of meaningful RP. This will likely make me unpopular for this opinion, but chainbreakers are everywhere. There are entire factions and groups set up to help slaves break free and it generates a lot of RP.

I don’t think it’s fair to treat all slaves with hostility. I understand it since so many times slaves have been played as if they’re UDers. I get this. Still there are many who don’t do that. Slaves or no. The same goes for evil characters and just instantly writing them off. Sometimes we may wish to give people a chance to change or go down a new path. Redemption is a thing (not for everyone, granted).

Anyway, long story short. I think perhaps it’s more beneficial to remind everyone around the expectations of the slavery system. Perhaps lock it behind RPR rating or something. But I’m all for keeping it. In a world where torture, imprisonment, cutting peoples limbs off, gore, murder and all that is a thing, I don’t agree that this is out of the ordinary. I by no means support any awkwardness however with slavery RP and it’s a responsibility of players in the community that everyone is comfortable with the scenario they are creating. If someone isn’t okay with something thats happening, we just need to communicate.

fulminea wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:16 pm In my opinion Slavery the way it is now doesnt belong on a pg13 Server .

It makes players reenact the Stanford prison Experiment without any remorse.

The amount of "stunning young female" slaves in the ud unveals how this background is being misused and blatantly uncovers the Agenda of the players behind them.

Personally i am worried about the amount of characters that fall into the "sexy obedient slave girl" category and i wonder if an rpr requirement might help, if not even an application.

Red Ropes wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:55 am

fulminea wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:16 pm Personally i am worried about the amount of characters that fall into the "sexy obedient slave girl" category and i wonder if an rpr requirement might help, if not even an application.

Just report everyone you think is being an sexy elven fun times slave tbh. Don't feel like you're being an annoying Karen for doing so. It's the equivalent of seeing a fire and calling the fire department. You're doing your civil duty.

Arienette wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:55 am
Good points overall. But slaves are not treated with hostility IC because player know there is OOC consent.

Slaves are treated with hostility IC because they are often acting in the interest of their evil owner. And/or when characters offer to help free then, the slave character refuses and runs home with an evil cackle.

Altair01 wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:34 pm you could allow the slaves' owners to perform a long-lasting, non-removable level-drain-like effect on their slaves, reverting it whenever they chose. This would be very effective as punishment.

D4wN wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:33 am Oh for sure! I'm aware. I perhaps didn't word it well enough. I didn't mean to imply that slaves are badly treated ICly because people know it requires OOC consent. And I know there are many slaves who've proven to be loyal to their owners. But I have experienced some players treating you ICly with the nonchalant.. "If you wanted to be free, you could. It's easy." or the "You chose to be a slave so this is your own fault." Not really taking the woes of the slave ICly seriously because they know it requires OOC consent. And yes, all this has happened. It's the only reason I brought it up.

-XXX- wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:40 am

D4wN wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:33 am Oh for sure! I'm aware. I perhaps didn't word it well enough. I didn't mean to imply that slaves are badly treated ICly because people know it requires OOC consent. And I know there are many slaves who've proven to be loyal to their owners. But I have experienced some players treating you ICly with the nonchalant.. "If you wanted to be free, you could. It's easy." or the "You chose to be a slave so this is your own fault." Not really taking the woes of the slave ICly seriously because they know it requires OOC consent. And yes, all this has happened. It's the only reason I brought it up.

TBH, one can expect a certain degree of cynicism coming from characters as a response to the cheapshot "you're so indifferent to my suffering, you must be an evil person" type of emotional blackmail RP once we acknowledge the fact that it's actually coming from someone who

a) is 100% responsible for the current situation, and
b) has all and every means to do something about it

that's blaming someone who

a) is objectively not at fault here, and
b) can do absolutely nothing about it.

Frankly, this can feel kinda trolly at times and I can relate to players who are struggling with an appropriate IC response to that.

Algol wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:11 am Perhaps rather than slavery a sort of caste system could be implemented. We already have nobles and commoners why not add something like serfs to take place of slavery system?

Instead of slave belonging to X it could say a serf tied to Anduor.