Arelith

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:38 pm The current classes that get intimidate are: assassin, barbarian, blackguard, purple dragon knight, rogue, weapon master.

I want to suggest also giving it to; Red Dragon Disciple and Fighter as they fit within the archetypes of the already allowed classes for intimidate.

Dragon Disciples are imposing and draconic.
Fighters can be anything, including enforcers, cut-throats and so forth.

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:43 pm Paladins do not inherently use violence and threat of violence as a way to dominate their way in social situations.

JustMonika wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:47 pm

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:43 pm Paladins do not inherently use violence and threat of violence as a way to dominate their way in social situations.

They do against Evildoers.

Tarkus the dog wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 1:37 pm On Arelith fighters have intimidate.

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:43 pm Paladins do not inherently use violence and threat of violence as a way to dominate their way in social situations.

Hinty wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:10 pm

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:43 pm Paladins do not inherently use violence and threat of violence as a way to dominate their way in social situations.

Intimidation does not have to include violence, actual, or implied. You can also threaten people with punishments such as exile or imprisonment.

Imagine a Paladin sitting an evil doer down and explaining how their evil ways will lead to isolation and loneliness as society shuns them and even their family grow too ashamed to associate with them. Depending on how the paladin chooses to deliver the speech that could be done through persuasion or intimidation.

It is true that Paladins should strive to avoid causing unnecessary fear as controlling others through fear is somewhat evil, but on the other hand Paladins are something for evil doers to fear even if the paladin is not trying to amplify that effect. You can save a great many lives from a pointless battle if you can successfully walk into the room give an imposing glare and demand the enemy surrender.

Shadowy Reality wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:38 pm Is this is solely to get a 'High' when others examine your character? I do not think many people go by that, nor do they have to.

JustMonika wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:52 pm It would save 4 skillpoints on crossclassing into Weaponmaster?

AstralUniverse wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm

JustMonika wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:52 pm It would save 4 skillpoints on crossclassing into Weaponmaster?

Then take fighter and then it's a class skill.

JustMonika wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:13 pm

AstralUniverse wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm

JustMonika wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:52 pm It would save 4 skillpoints on crossclassing into Weaponmaster?

Then take fighter and then it's a class skill.

"Let's add Intimidate to more classes because they should have it too!"
"What benefits would that add?"
"Well, it'd make it easier to take weaponmaster!"
"Well just take a class that already has intimidate then. Obviously."

AstralUniverse wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:11 am

JustMonika wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:13 pm

AstralUniverse wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 pm

Then take fighter and then it's a class skill.

"Let's add Intimidate to more classes because they should have it too!"
"What benefits would that add?"
"Well, it'd make it easier to take weaponmaster!"
"Well just take a class that already has intimidate then. Obviously."

Come on Monika, what are you taking as your base class for your WM rather than fighter? Because there arent many good options for WMs /anyway/ and not crossing 4 points wont change that. Playing a WM without any fighter lvls is really bad (unless some barbarian/wm builds can live without fighter lvls but.. wait.. barbarian has intimidate) and if you do that then you dont get to complain about cross-classing things.

JustMonika wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:30 am I provided a tiny fringe benefit. [And Paladin/Weapon Master seems fine to me?]

AstralUniverse wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:36 am

JustMonika wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:30 am I provided a tiny fringe benefit. [And Paladin/Weapon Master seems fine to me?]

There's no real benefit in that because there's no build that wants intimidate and doesnt take fighter or barbarian or pdk early and late. Paladin/Wm with no fighter lvls is doomed to suffer for so many reasons. cross classing 4 points is the least of it's concerns.

The only, really only, thing I can think of is some pdk build with no other classes with intimidate that wants to dip intimidate late game and already took all 10 pdk early without saving at least 1 last lvl for late game.

Shadowy Reality wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:38 pm I am slightly confused as to the point of this change. Will this mechanically change anything?

There are a few NPC dialog options which allow an Intimidate check. That asides only Terrifying Rage and PDK fear scale off Intimidate, but both these classes have intimidate.

Is this is solely to get a 'High' when others examine your character? I do not think many people go by that, nor do they have to.

Hinty wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:10 pm

Lilja_91 wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:43 pm Paladins do not inherently use violence and threat of violence as a way to dominate their way in social situations.

Intimidation does not have to include violence, actual, or implied. You can also threaten people with punishments such as exile or imprisonment.

Use this skill to get a bully to back down, to frighten an opponent, or to make a prisoner give you the information you want. Intimi-dation includes verbal threats and body language.

Hinty wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:10 pm Imagine a Paladin sitting an evil doer down and explaining how their evil ways will lead to isolation and loneliness as society shuns them and even their family grow too ashamed to associate with them.

(Diplomacy)Description
Use this skill to persuade the chamberlain to let you see the king, to negotiate peace between feuding barbarian tribes, or to convince the ogre mages that have captured you that they should ransom you back to your friends instead of twisting your limbs off one by one. Diplomacy includes etiquette, social grace, tact, subtlety, and a way with words. A skilled character knows the formal and informal rules of conduct, social expectations, proper forms of address, and so on. This skill represents the ability to give others the right impression of oneself, to negotiate effectively, and to influence others.

Lilja_91 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:00 am

Shadowy Reality wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:38 pm I am slightly confused as to the point of this change. Will this mechanically change anything?

There are a few NPC dialog options which allow an Intimidate check. That asides only Terrifying Rage and PDK fear scale off Intimidate, but both these classes have intimidate.

Is this is solely to get a 'High' when others examine your character? I do not think many people go by that, nor do they have to.

Actually to enable Red Dragon Disciple builds classing with Barbarian. For instance, the build I am currently doing:
16 barb, 4 bard and 10 rdd. Neither bard nor RDD get intimidate which means that you more or less start with 15 Barbarian and have to take last Barbarian (16) at 30 to get intimidate. That means that terrifying rage is not very impactful until you reach level 30.

PS. I find it a little sad that the default combination is with Paladin or Blackguard because they are simply the most powerful combos. And part of the reason I feel that there's just little else that currently can combo with RDD.

Ebonstar wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:21 pm not playing right now do to work but ive seen a bunch of these threads recently when i pop in

i have a solution for them all

we have one class that can do everything with every skill and power, spells sneaks crits the whole lot.

sounds silly right

there is a reason why some classes have things and others do not

Lilja_91 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:19 pm Well, personally; I too argued against paladins getting intimidate. As it stands (since fighters already have it) I am suggesting that RDDs get intimidate as it fits the class very well.