These are items that are seldom seen on the market as people often opt for simply better options such as stable templates and Ranger/AA's create ammo ability.
If the NPC shops/merchants can start offering these bronze bundles and basic templates for an adequate price (anything less than 1k gold, as that is the amount new characters can loan at first), it'd be really nice for the starting ranged characters without investment into ranger archer or AA levels. Or allow non-ranged focused characters some rudimentary use of ranged weaponry.
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Bronze Bundle of Ammo and Basic Template
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Bronze Bundle of Ammo and Basic Template
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Re: Bronze Bundle of Ammo and Basic Template
I'll repeat a plea I've made before: why can't NPC merchants sell bronze ammo bundles?
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Re: Bronze Bundle of Ammo and Basic Template
When you make a character straight off the boat, what is the first thing you want to do? Well, unless some crazy RP swipes the area and pulls me along with it, I will probably pick up a writ, maybe try my luck finding another lvl 3 pc and go kill rats and try to make it to lvl 4-5 asap. For none archers, you have the tools to do that. You can buy a sword. You can buy an armor. casters can summon at the very least a dire boar. For archers, you cant really do much until the basic template since you have 1d8 or even 1d6 damage and you trigger attacks of opportunity in melee (and when you're surrounded by rats, you might as well draw a sword or it'll be a death by a thousand cuts).
A counter argument:
Take into account here is that these bundles and templates ARE found relatively often in shops around low level starting locations, when the shop owners recognize the high demand. Like anything else in the market, this raises and falls in waves so maybe you were just unlucky? (aka, no carpenter/smith shop owner in the starting area at the time). So giving these items to npcs will take them away from the PC economy.
Maybe it's not a big deal really though, because you dont use basic templates and bronze bundles past the very early levels no matter what class you're playing.
So to conclude, I agree with the OP.
A counter argument:
Take into account here is that these bundles and templates ARE found relatively often in shops around low level starting locations, when the shop owners recognize the high demand. Like anything else in the market, this raises and falls in waves so maybe you were just unlucky? (aka, no carpenter/smith shop owner in the starting area at the time). So giving these items to npcs will take them away from the PC economy.
Maybe it's not a big deal really though, because you dont use basic templates and bronze bundles past the very early levels no matter what class you're playing.
So to conclude, I agree with the OP.
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Re: Bronze Bundle of Ammo and Basic Template
Cheap arrow bundles are something many characters can use throughout their career though. A rogue who wants to be a part-time slinger or archer will be happy with bronze bundles and a stable template in epics but keeping up with crafting ammo bundles themselves or buying them from shops or other PCs is pretty difficult/unreliable if you use them regularly. The template system is great for dedicated archers but it's really made part-time archery more trouble than it's worth. .
Templates as something crafted and sold to low level archers and occasional ranged weapon users would still be there for the economy's sake if bronze bundles were sold in stores. I don't think the economy would collapse if everyone could access bronze arrow bundles-- if anything, I think basic and standard templates would sell *more* since non-ranger classes would actually want them too.
Remember that an epic archer can't even generate lower level ammo themselves so any bronze bundles sold in stores either have to come from 3-level archer dips or people crafting them. And people don't craft them because you need softwood, coal, clay, copper and tin and to dip into 3 different trades to make a bundle of bronze arrows that sells for maybe 250 gp. It's really not worth the effort unless you're doing it purely out of charity. So I really don't think there even is an economy there. Most bundles you see in shops are damask and placed by max-level rangers who don't adventure as much and don't desperately need the freebies they generate any more.
Templates as something crafted and sold to low level archers and occasional ranged weapon users would still be there for the economy's sake if bronze bundles were sold in stores. I don't think the economy would collapse if everyone could access bronze arrow bundles-- if anything, I think basic and standard templates would sell *more* since non-ranger classes would actually want them too.
Remember that an epic archer can't even generate lower level ammo themselves so any bronze bundles sold in stores either have to come from 3-level archer dips or people crafting them. And people don't craft them because you need softwood, coal, clay, copper and tin and to dip into 3 different trades to make a bundle of bronze arrows that sells for maybe 250 gp. It's really not worth the effort unless you're doing it purely out of charity. So I really don't think there even is an economy there. Most bundles you see in shops are damask and placed by max-level rangers who don't adventure as much and don't desperately need the freebies they generate any more.