(Includes a description of "Character's Name") should be prohibited.

[matheusgraef]

I think it should be prohibited to include that in a letter/message board post. I'll be succinct.

1. It's metagame.

2. It's lazy.

3. It's cheap.

4. It ultimately provokes cheap, lazy conflict.

If a player never got a name, adding (Includes a description of 'Name') isn't the way to go.

If players wish to describe an assailant, they should do so by verbally describing what their assailant looked like.

If players know a name, that's fine - they should still describe what the assailant looks like.

To illustrate:

Teddy is an evil PC who doesn't use a disguise and goes around intimidating/robbing/etc people. The dude has a description that says he bears a holy symbol of Tiamat and has a scar.

Fig I. Peanut brain:

Message that says they were attacked by a bandit who bore powerful magics. The message ends with (Includes a description of Teddy).

Fig II. Galaxy brain:

A message that describes the event in detail and ends with a short description of the assailant: "The bandit wore a hood, an armor of red and gold with a black tabbard, a staff with a pink crystal and a dagger on the off hand, a cape, had a scar and a holy symbol of Tiamat."

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Discuss.

[The Rambling Midget]

You hit it with #1.

Report it.

[Party in the forest at midnight]

It is against the rules to do that. I report it every time I see it.

[The GrumpyCat]

Confirming. Please report this.

[Twohand]

Confirming. Please report this.

I see this happening way too much, perhaps a topic should be written in the Announcements forum to warn people not to do it? Like the Settlement Raids thing.

[matheusgraef]

Confirming. Please report this.

I see this happening way too much, perhaps a topic should be written in the Announcements forum to warn people not to do it? Like the Settlement Raids thing.

Ditto. There's no way to report it every time it happens because it happens way too often, I feel like it's something that deserves a strict reminder.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

Looks like you guys got what you wanted.

viewtopic.php?f=23&p=236761#p236761

But what do we do about the guy with no description who is always fully warded with stoneskin, premonition, and acid sheath so there's no way in heck we can discern anything about his character model? "I was attacked by a humanoid shaped glowing statue protected by a barrier of floating acid."

[The Rambling Midget]

But what do we do about the guy with no description who is always fully warded with stoneskin, premonition, and acid sheath so there's no way in heck we can discern anything about his character model? "I was attacked by a humanoid shaped glowing statue protected by a barrier of floating acid."

Yes. And then anyone who's walking around, glowing like the sun, who refuses to drop the wards and state their business, gets pummeled by an angry city.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

But what do we do about the guy with no description who is always fully warded with stoneskin, premonition, and acid sheath so there's no way in heck we can discern anything about his character model? "I was attacked by a humanoid shaped glowing statue protected by a barrier of floating acid."

Yes. And then anyone who's walking around, glowing like the sun, who refuses to drop the wards and state their business, gets pummeled by an angry city.

lol I wish. Usually I kill them myself and then everyone is like :surprised pikachu face: but I digress. People who haven't set their descriptions yet or don't know how I can understand. People who put "." as their description are metagaming just as much as the people described in the OP though IMO. Is that something we should report too?

[Party in the forest at midnight]

Ditto. There's no way to report it every time it happens because it happens way too often, I feel like it's something that deserves a strict reminder.

Sure you can report it every time. I report it every time. Fill the team's inbox with reports about people breaking the rules. Or send in a mega report with every single instance you see. An album of disappointing behaviour. If you don't report, things won't change.

Looks like you guys got what you wanted.

viewtopic.php?f=23&p=236761#p236761

But what do we do about the guy with no description who is always fully warded with stoneskin, premonition, and acid sheath so there's no way in heck we can discern anything about his character model? "I was attacked by a humanoid shaped glowing statue protected by a barrier of floating acid."

Take a screenshot of them and try to figure out what they're wearing so you can describe it later when you write a note about the incident. A lot of people who do that tactic are pretty distinct looking. Back when John the Elf was in disguise and running around Sibayad all the time with premo/stoneskin up, I could recognize him every time without even breaking his disguise because he looked so distinct. Same magic staff, same outfit, same character outline.

If you CAN'T describe the person, then warn people about them and turn it into investigation RP. Try and find them again. That's generally what I do when someone does something weird and I want to learn their name or details about them. If you're a guard in town, then have the guards be on high alert for people who are warded like that. Make it into a RP opportunity, generate RP based around this one guy being a goober and abusing spell FX.

[matheusgraef]

If you CAN'T describe the person, then warn people about them and turn it into investigation RP. Try and find them again. That's generally what I do when someone does something weird and I want to learn their name or details about them. If you're a guard in town, then have the guards be on high alert for people who are warded like that. Make it into a RP opportunity, generate RP based around this one guy being a goober and abusing spell FX.

+1

Super warded people are suspicious for a reason: people ward up when they're expecting trouble. There's a reason why those visible wards are not allowed in most urban centers.

Anyway, it seems like GrumpyCat made a DM reminder about it, that's good.

[malcolm_mountainslayer]

its why I stay out of guard RP, I find it impossible to describe or interpret descriptions of NWN models.

[malcolm_mountainslayer]

But what do we do about the guy with no description who is always fully warded with stoneskin, premonition, and acid sheath so there's no way in heck we can discern anything about his character model? "I was attacked by a humanoid shaped glowing statue protected by a barrier of floating acid."

Yes. And then anyone who's walking around, glowing like the sun, who refuses to drop the wards and state their business, gets pummeled by an angry city.

lol I wish. Usually I kill them myself and then everyone is like :surprised pikachu face: but I digress. People who haven't set their descriptions yet or don't know how I can understand. People who put "." as their description are metagaming just as much as the people described in the OP though IMO. Is that something we should report too?

what huh?

Blank descriptions or "RP for more info" is a staple classic in the olden days when we just wanted to rol lsomeone up and had no power to change descriptions later or just arnt really into descriptions (again, they have no value to me.. my brain will literally disregard half of what I read for literally description and just fill in the blanks with my own imagination if I am ever reading a book lol)

Though I would never 'put a period'. I just am not into descriptions, I will read them though as im bored and waiting for other's to finish typing, but I don't retain most of it.

[The GrumpyCat]

You should also be able to use the physical info given on the character bio

(How agile, tough ect someone is)

You also have their portrait.

What wards you recognise might also give an indication as to the identity of the person. Not a sure fire situation, but it's there.

Also if they talk there is their speach patterns.

And if they truly make a really hard core attempt to hide all these aspects about them? Maybe they deserve not to be identified, frankly.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

You should also be able to use the physical info given on the character bio

(How agile, tough ect someone is)

You also have their portrait.

What wards you recognise might also give an indication as to the identity of the person. Not a sure fire situation, but it's there.

Also if they talk there is their speach patterns.

And if they truly make a really hard core attempt to hide all these aspects about them? Maybe they deserve not to be identified, frankly.

If I have 120 spot and break their disguise, they still deserve not to be identified because they were too lazy or too spiteful to type out a character description? Seems very metagamey to me.

[Spyre]

You should also be able to use the physical info given on the character bio

(How agile, tough ect someone is)

You also have their portrait.

What wards you recognise might also give an indication as to the identity of the person. Not a sure fire situation, but it's there.

Also if they talk there is their speach patterns.

And if they truly make a really hard core attempt to hide all these aspects about them? Maybe they deserve not to be identified, frankly.

If I have 120 spot and break their disguise, they still deserve not to be identified because they were too lazy or too spiteful to type out a character description? Seems very metagamey to me.

You can still describe on what you physically see. If you don't know their name, you do not know them. You just know their appearance. So, make the effort to describe it.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

You should also be able to use the physical info given on the character bio

(How agile, tough ect someone is)

You also have their portrait.

What wards you recognise might also give an indication as to the identity of the person. Not a sure fire situation, but it's there.

Also if they talk there is their speach patterns.

And if they truly make a really hard core attempt to hide all these aspects about them? Maybe they deserve not to be identified, frankly.

If I have 120 spot and break their disguise, they still deserve not to be identified because they were too lazy or too spiteful to type out a character description? Seems very metagamey to me.

You can still describe on what you physically see. If you don't know their name, you do not know them. You just know their appearance. So, make the effort to describe it.

"I was attacked by a glowing statue protected by a barrier of acid. He had high strength but low charisma." is the most anyone will glean from that encounter and the guards won't be able to do diddly with that information. I think if people want to go around picking fights they should at least be obligated to fill out a basic description. Otherwise there's no point in -disguise or spot because people can just put "." as their description and run around fully warded picking fights without facing consequences, unless someone beats them in PVP.

[Monsters]

"A fully warded man, covered in stone and acid. We can assume the man has the capacity to use magical wands and scrolls or cast the spells himself. He is a large and imposing man, but was not right in some way, a lack of social grace."

What weapon did he use, where did he attack you, did he use any identifying language, helm, shield.

Effort is the key word.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

"A fully warded man, covered in stone and acid. We can assume the man has the capacity to use magical wands and scrolls or cast the spells himself. He is a large and imposing man, but was not right in some way, a lack of social grace."

What weapon did he use, where did he attack you, did he use any identifying language, helm, shield.

Effort is the key word.

He used a quarterstaff and was a human. Now go get him.

[Baron Saturday]

"A fully warded man, covered in stone and acid. We can assume the man has the capacity to use magical wands and scrolls or cast the spells himself. He is a large and imposing man, but was not right in some way, a lack of social grace."

What weapon did he use, where did he attack you, did he use any identifying language, helm, shield.

Effort is the key word.

He used a quarterstaff and was a human. Now go get him.

Low effort rp or metagaming by someone else is not an excuse to do the same. That just brings the whole server's rp level down.

[NPC Logger Number 2]

Edit: I will follow the rules because that's what's expected of me thanks to rule #1 which is remaining in character and doing my best to reinforce the integrity of the setting.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

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This is a dark path. If you're frustrated/angry with other people's roleplay, and seek to rectify such or "teach them a lesson" in turn, it's not healthy or fun.

I've been there. It really, really does not lend itself to a healthy server or a quality roleplaying environment. You gotta turn the other cheek, and try to foster high-quality roleplay, whatever the circumstances are.

[malcolm_mountainslayer]

You should also be able to use the physical info given on the character bio

(How agile, tough ect someone is)

You also have their portrait.

What wards you recognise might also give an indication as to the identity of the person. Not a sure fire situation, but it's there.

Also if they talk there is their speach patterns.

And if they truly make a really hard core attempt to hide all these aspects about them? Maybe they deserve not to be identified, frankly.

I like the physical info part. That's a great pairing tool with minimalist model describing skills.

My question is, is it ok to describe someone's face that you seen and know the name of via a wanted poster?

*you see a wanted poster with both nsne illustration of the face of Ryan Valtheran*

Or to push the boundaries further for when we have no face or describing skills:

*a wanted poster of Amadeo in hid iconic blue outfit and his aerodynamic helmet with glowing blue eyes*

[Nitro]

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And you don't think it's frustrating for disguisers to have people OOC'ly metagame their real names in IC posts?

[NPC Logger Number 2]

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This is a dark path. If you're frustrated/angry with other people's roleplay, and seek to rectify such or "teach them a lesson" in turn, it's not healthy or fun.

I've been there. It really, really does not lend itself to a healthy server or a quality roleplaying environment. You gotta turn the other cheek, and try to foster high-quality roleplay, whatever the circumstances are.

I get what you are saying. But heads can be used to identify characters. If they have no description and they're sneaking around at night disguised my lawful-not-good character might make the assumption they are up to trouble. Especially if it's in an area where my character has heard about people being attacked or found dead bodies previously, which happens. PVP situations like this are generally easy to avoid but if people go looking for them and want to act cheeky about it then two can play at that game.

And you don't think it's frustrating for disguisers to have people OOC'ly metagame their real names in IC posts?

Nowhere did I advocate doing that or try to justify that. I'm just saying that running around with concealing wards with no description is just as much of a middle finger to anyone doing guard, bounty hunter, or vigilante RP.