-appearance

[Skibbles]

Appearance seems to be changing my items into the exact same looking items of my other gear (such as bracer and amulet), which is introducing a sort of potion/wand issue that everything looks the same now and I can't tell at a glance what my items do or what I have equipped.

This is frustrating.

I can't seem to find any options to disable this, and it's like - infecting my items slowly as I change outfits and stuff.

Can there be an option, or a more clear explanation IG if there is an option, on how to make -appearance just change my outfit?

[LichBait]

If you save an outfit and just want to change the appearance of it. -saveoutfit "xxxxx" when you have only: Cloak, Helm, Armor/Clothes equipped. Or basically anything you want changed. Unequip rings and all other items when you save the outfit. When you load with -appearance later on, only the items you -saveoutfit with will change.

Edit: I know it's not IG, just putting here for reference I should clarify! It would be nice to have it IG. I had a few surprise outfit item changes before I learned how to do this.

[Party in the forest at midnight]

I hate this too. I keep meaning to write a bug report because I'm pretty sure this is not intended behaviour, but I keep forgetting. It's not -appearance that does it, it's -loadoutfit. I muscle memory type -loadoutfit and I'm trying really hard to break out of the habit now that it's been broken. I wish there was a way to disable -loadoutfit functionality.

[perseid]

I hate this too. I keep meaning to write a bug report because I'm pretty sure this is not intended behaviour, but I keep forgetting. It's not -appearance that does it, it's -loadoutfit. I muscle memory type -loadoutfit and I'm trying really hard to break out of the habit now that it's been broken. I wish there was a way to disable -loadoutfit functionality.

I submitted a report about it awhile back and was told it was intended behavior. Maybe my report was unclear and misunderstood but from that reply my understanding is that for whatever reason the current implementation considers it a feature.

Edit: For those curious I dug through my post history to find the thread viewtopic.php?f=52&t=39481&p=308954&hilit=icon#p308954

[Party in the forest at midnight]

What the heck, this isn't considered a bug? Why would we ever want to make all of our equipment look the same, right down to rings/necklaces/etc. I wish -loadoutfit wasn't changed and a new command was added for the new functionality, I don't know why it went the other way around where a new command was added for the old functionality. I'm trying really hard to break out of my habit of typing -loadoutfit, and every time I do type it by accident I ruin my equipment.

[LichBait]

From my previous experimenting with it.

-loadoutfit - This will load all equipment you were currently wearing at the time you did -saveoutfit. This will also change the appearance of that equipment that jumps from your inventory to the equipped slots to the appearance of the items you were wearing at the time you did -saveoutfit.

If you want to -loadoutfit it will load the gear and change the appearance of that gear. ((Unless something changed recently)). It may be nice if -loadoutfit itself was decoupled from appearance changes and only slotted the gear saved with -saveoutfit without changing the appearance on equip.

-appearance - This will not change any equipped items out for unequipped items. This will only change the appearance of currently equipped items to the appearance of any item you happened to be wearing at the time you did -saveoutfit.

To make appearance changes without equipping undesired gear, unequip any items you don't want changing appearance before you -saveoutfit then only change into that outfit using the -appearance command. Likely good to have this functionality described somewhere IG.

Edit: All outfits that were saved previous to this change tended to do weird things with both these commands. I went through and cleared out all my old outfits and resaved them under new outfit names and things worked more smoothly.

[Skibbles]

I'm pretty disappointed in this, if this is actually intended. I thought this was supposed to reduce inventory juggling rather than enhance it. Many of my items had specific appearances, for RP or just my own sanity on gear bloat, and now they're subject to an accidental overwrite if I slip my mind and type the wrong thing?

So just to recap here, since this is so strange, the best way to utilize this is to completely strip down to only the base items (armor, cloak, helm) and then save those outfits? Then utilize only the -appearance function so you don't bork everything up?

[WanderingPoet]

Personally I love that feature. It's really nice to be able to change the appearance of items that used to be impossible. Every pair of dweomercrafted boots looked the same, every loot-magic ring, every amulet. Now you can make them look like how you want.

If you change them by mistake, just buy a new ring/belt, save an outfit with that design and -loadoufit -a to overwrite the new design of your current items. It's easy to fix.

You're using the -appearance (/-loadoutfit -a) command in order to change the appearance of things, it makes sense that this is how it behaves.

You can just use -loadoutfit if you want to change your look without changing the icon appearances. I'm curious what you need to use -appearance for that you can't use -loadoutfit for if you don't want the main feature of -appearance?

[LichBait]

The problem is if you use -loadoutfit it will /also/ change the appearance of whatever item it loads to the appearance that you had at the time you used -saveoutfit.

That's the issue people are having.

However, after going through all my outfits and resaving them I have less -loadoutfit wonkiness with rings/boots/belts/amulets/gloves. It mostly still applies to helm/armor/cloak because those things I change fairly regularly.

[WanderingPoet]

Maybe I'm not understanding, but -loadoutfit equips the items you had on at the time you did -saveoutfit, so it'll change the armour/cloak/shield/weapon appearances, but also just equip whatever rings/belt/boots you had on. Unless you've changed those icons, then I wouldn't expected the icons to change in an unexpected way.

Loadoutfit is supposed to unequip items and then reequip whatever items you had on at the time you used -saveoutfit and then modify their appearances to match.

-Apperance is supposed to make all your current equipment look like what you had when you used -saveoutfit, not changing equipped items, just changing appearances.

Are you saying it changes the items it is -unequipping- as well, for you? I can't say I've seen this behaviour myself, but I'm pretty certain that wouldn't be an intended feature. Or is it more an issue if you no longer have all the items that were in the -saveoutfit and it changes the items it couldn't change?

[LichBait]

I think they're just flat saying that -loadoutfit changing appearance at all is an undesired feature. -appearance should be strictly about appearance changes. -loadoutfit should be strictly about gear slotting.

[WanderingPoet]

I suppose that's not unreasonable. It'd be pretty unfortunate though. My main usecase is to load and entire outfit; with specific gear and look. If this was changed it'd not be hard to do -loadoutfit outfitname and then -appearance outfitname, but it'd be a pain with the 6 second cooldown between uses.

Maybe -equip can be changed to just do equipment? That way you'd have:
-equip = swap equipment around, no changing of appearance
-appearance = swap appearance of currently equipped equipment
-loadoutfit = swap equipment around and update their appearance to saved outfit

Everyone wins?

[Skibbles]

Whatever it is, I'm not sure, but that's kind of the issue. It doesn't seem to be explained what's going on anywhere, and I didn't realize I murdered multiple item appearances until I starting using their related skills and changing appearances (as someone who usually has at least a dozen outfits, for aesthetics and disguises, this has made things all the worse to just swap around for fun.)

So now I'm in this weird spot where I have to find the item appearances I used to have (which could be super expensive, I'm not sure yet), create new outfits just with those items equipped, just in order to revert them back to what I already had.

Then I have to remember never to do it again or end up back where I started.

I think -equip would very much be a more user friendly term for inventory juggle, alongside maybe separating the lists of outfits between outfits and gear templates when one types -listoutgit, because now it seems neither -appearance nor -loadoutfit seem to actually imply what they're doing to my inventory.

Example, and I'm sure this is a bug: I swap between gloves and an adamantine bracer time to time, but since my saved outfit was of a glove the system broke and replaced my bracer with some wacky red gauntlet thing that neither matched the gloves or the original bracer. It just... broke it into some gross red thing.

[WanderingPoet]

Whatever it is, I'm not sure, but that's kind of the issue. It doesn't seem to be explained what's going on anywhere, and I didn't realize I murdered multiple item appearances until I starting using their related skills and changing appearances (as someone who usually has at least a dozen outfits, for aesthetics and disguises, this has made things all the worse to just swap around for fun.)

So now I'm in this weird spot where I have to find the item appearances I used to have (which could be super expensive, I'm not sure yet), create new outfits just with those items equipped, just in order to revert them back to what I already had.

Then I have to remember never to do it again or end up back where I started.

I think -equip would very much be a more user friendly term for inventory juggle, alongside maybe separating the lists of outfits between outfits and gear templates when one types -listoutgit, because now it seems neither -appearance nor -loadoutfit seem to actually imply what they're doing to my inventory.

Example, and I'm sure this is a bug: I swap between gloves and an adamantine bracer time to time, but since my saved outfit was of a glove the system broke and replaced my bracer with some wacky red gauntlet thing that neither matched the gloves or the original bracer. It just... broke it into some gross red thing.

For clarity in your example:

Did you still have the gloves in your inventory and it failed to swap to it? Or did it swap to it and both are now red gloves?

I've used both -loadoutfit and -appearance a ton and not encountered this issue myself, but maybe I've been super lucky or my use cases slightly differ from yours. To my understanding the intent would be:

• If you don't have the red gloves in your inventory, nothing happens.
• If you have the red gloves then it swaps to them and runs -appearance on them.
• If you had something else equipped, then the current bracers should be unequipped and unaltered.

So if that's not what is happening, then I suspect you have encountered a bug.

For comparison, I'd expect if you ran -loadoutfit -a (or -appearance) then you'd simply have the bracers change to the red gloves, since that's what is saved.

If you can't find a cheap 50 gold replacement for your accessory that was changed (most ring styles are sold at jewellers, boots at the cobbler in Cordor, and I think I've seen bracers /somewhere/ before), it might be worth asking a DM for 5 minutes of help to swap out the item or let you borrow a copy of the original item to -saveoutfit to fix it.

[Skibbles]

Unfortunately that's part of my point here... I'm not actually sure what did what. I was switching to disguises, occasionally manually moving gear around for activities like normal, and at some point I started to get confused at what I was wearing because items started to look the same as my other items.

Then, upon taking a closer look, I realized the damage had been done.

Oddly the red bracers I ended up with mirror nothing I've ever had in my inventory. I'm guessing this is because 'gloves' and 'bracers' are different items in nwn so it approximated some appearance and slapped it on.

The whole thing is just weird. What happened to just changing how the character looks without bogging it down with all these features?

Could really just use some clarity and simplicity here. Really missing the old system badly.

[-XXX-]

Saving only individual gear setups is possible. Just unequip armor and go:
-saveoutfit main
-saveoutfit lock
-saveoutfit sneak
-saveoutfit sail
-saveoutfit climb
...

To use the -save/loadoutfit with the old functionality, equip only the armor and unequip everything else before going:
-saveoutfit blacktie
-saveoutfit pyjama
-saveoutfit swimsuit
-saveoutfit fakemoustache
...