Disguise and Exile Status

[chocolatelover]

Can someone explain how this works?

So a character is Exiled. They put on a disguise.
They try to enter city and are with successful or not (getting kicked out by guards if unsuccesful)

What exactly is used for the dice roll?

My bard uses Perform for Disguise, though I can click on either Bluff or Perform to get the same Disguise score.

Is my pc rolling against Disguise, Perform or Bluff?

I assume if DC is 40 for exiles (according to wiki), then the only thing that would make it unsuccesful for a Disguise of 104 would be a dice roll of one?

[Darkstorn42]

It's a disguise check vs the NPC guards. You may occasionally get booted out, but I've found that it more happens if you don't give time for things to load in or the servers are laggy. The system feels a little mysterious, but I think that's intentional.

[chocolatelover]

So basically, that above character should only get booted on a roll of one,?

[Dreams]

Or if they’re found out. If the actual disguise is flimsy or if the RP leads to key information giving you away, then it might make sense for NPCs to take action if a PC is pointing this out to them.

Exile is usually used as a means of limiting opportunity to RP with the exiled rather than really a punishment of the character though, so I don’t think you’d get into the above situation if just slipping by quietly.

[chocolatelover]

Pretty sure this is a MECHANICAL ONLY thing, at least according to the wiki.

"Skilled individuals who can disguise themselves can often sneak back into settlements even if exiled (Must beat a DC 40)."

My pc has a disguise skill of 104. But on several occassions has been kicked repeatedly. This is why I am asking what the mechanical roll is... disguise, bluff, perform? And is it only a fail on a 1?

[ThisIsNotADrill]

Sometimes NPCs are just too stupid to realize you're disguised. Have it happen semi-regularly on my outcast with a disguise skill of 120 just by talking to them in too much of a hurry.

[chocolatelover]

Again, I am asking about the mechanics. According to the wiki...the DC is only 40. So I would assume with a disguise level of 104, just walking in , the ONLY way they could be kicked as they make the screen transition is a roll of one. Is that true? And wondering why one some days it seems impossible to bypass the completely unseen guards. Glitch? bug ? Trying to many times without waiting between?

[ThisIsNotADrill]

There shouldn't be a critical fail on this roll.

[Ping14]

Or if they’re found out. If the actual disguise is flimsy or if the RP leads to key information giving you away, then it might make sense for NPCs to take action if a PC is pointing this out to them.

I dont have personal experience with this one. But here's what I got from this statement:

• Disguise getting blown by PC can get you kicked from exiled city
• PC spotters in stealth is a possibility if above is correct

[Darkstorn42]

As I've said before, you getting booted has something to do with the script implementation. Clearly the 'get booted' script is firing before the NPCs recognize you as disguised. I'm not sure exactly what's happening behind the scenes with this, but I recommend finding entrances to the places you are excited from that are away from NPCs.

[chocolatelover]

Yea...from Soulhaven to Guldorand there are Zero NPCs....same from forested Valley to Guldorand. And yet .. I get kicked over and over...

[Dreams]

Let me clarify then because there's two things I'm talking about.

1) A script that represents a living breathing world, so whilst NPCs aren't seen all the time, it's obviously a well traversed area in a bustling city. You get kicked out if you're recognised by NPCs and the script is representing this. You may also be kicked out of key city areas, so for example Guldorand is a very large area that also includes all that space outside the gates because it's the same map.

2) You might get recognised (disguise broken or poorly disguised) by a PC who then alerts the NPC guards or whatever. If you're super lucky and a DM is online + interested in going along with the story, then maybe an NPC helps out. Maybe they believe the PC, maybe they don't believe the PC. Maybe bribes are involved, maybe the PC is a nobody so the NPC is like "Who are you why do I care what you have to say this could be anyone" or maybe they're the settlement leader where the NPC is more likely to just do what they say even if they're having a mistaken identity moment.

1 is the way things are to represent DMs and PCs not always being around to interact with the exiled people who are breaking the city laws and trying to sneak in, whilst 2 is more about roleplaying interaction.

[chocolatelover]

So, yes. I understand those two scenarios

Option 2 has not happened. My disguise has not been broken.

I am asking how the Mechanics with the invisible NPCs in Option 1 works.

When I try to cross into a zone from which my PC is Exiled, it's purely a dice roll.
Is it rolling against Disguise, Bluff, or Perform?

If the DC is a 40, and my PC disguise is at 104, then only a dice roll of 1 should make it fail, yes?

[The GrumpyCat]

Disguise runs off which ever is the highest, Bluff OR perform AFAIK

And yes, though I've a feeling I was once told it was always a 25% chance of failure? But I was told that so very long ago I can't recall.