Tongue of sun and moon broken

[chris a gogo]

My monk can no longer understand things that are said in other languages than what it "knows" the feat is not working.

[The GrumpyCat]

The feat works at the same cap as lore. So at best your monk will only be able to get 25% of what is said.

[Red Ropes]

It probably was working off what was the LORE system.

I absolutely do think that monks should have this restored to them - Tongue of Sun and Moon is part of a monk acheiving gnosis/one with everything/nirvana and they understanding all living things. Monks need to be differentiated from the mundane as they are trans-mundane, spiritual, and beyond this life.

They're supposed to be "weird."

Instead of being the gradual bonus it should probably just be an ability that is granted at 20 that just allows them to hear and understand everything.

[Nitro]

At the very least it should stack with a monks Lore over 25%, up to a potential 50%. Otherwise it's a literally useless class feature for any monk that invests Lore for scroll usage.

[Kshatriya]

With the changes to lore I really think this needs to be looked at. A large swath of builds are now going to take lore to get access to the spell usage that they're previously lost. This class feature is now essentially redundant. My gut reaction is to agree with red ropes and say that they should just have total understanding of the languages. Maybe tie it to perfect self in some way if you really want to? I think it needs to be changed in some way as it feels like a feature I was actually looking forward to for the sake of RP has now been ripped away from my build.

[chris a gogo]

It's pretty funny really my rp has been forced changed so much.

"I know im not that fast anymore I broke my legs".
"Yes I told you I was fine against magic now well I not sure what happened maybe the gods hate me".
" it's funny but just yesterday I could understand the speech of the eagles now im totally clueless the gods DO hate me."

[MissEvelyn]

Agreed. Tongue of the Sun and Moon should never have been nerfed (and this is, essentially, a nerf to that). By the description of this ability, it shouldn't actually have been affected by the Lore change, so this thread belongs here under Bugs.

But if it was indeed intended, then I propose it is changed back to the way it was. In PnP Monks get this ability at level 17; here it's a gradual thing, which makes sense and works well with Monks. Can we please get this restored? It's a severe nerf to specialist or pure monks.

[WJLIII3]

Yeah, I agree with all this, Tongue of the Sun and Moon is a monk theme, its not like its some killer mechanical advantage, and it would be very cool to have at proper functionality.

[DM Eyeball]

By the description of this ability, it shouldn't actually have been affected by the Lore change, so this thread belongs here under Bugs.

But if it was indeed intended, then I propose it is changed back to the way it was.

Just to give some clarity, the new behaviour of Tongue of Sun and Moon is intended as it is. I'm pretty sure you can all work out a suggestion for alterations to this

[Mirabelka]

Aaaaand another brick to monks suffering. yesterday I talked with Hin. Today for me they're weirdos.. i was like, o_O what are they babbling about.

And as someone stated, we're only shadows now of who we were

I know that we shoudn't change from monk to other class, but in that pace we should be asking dm's/gm's to become caster, they're godlike now.