Bardic Lore: What Is It Good For? (Absolutely Nothing)

[Adam Antium]

Not gonna lie, I've seen people assume they knew what language was being spoken even if they clearly can't understand it like... Every time. Everybody has the common ones color-coded into their brain and just asks "Oh WaS tHaT iNfErNaL?! KiLl ThE wItCh!" for instance.

[Subutai]

Not gonna lie, I've seen people assume they knew what language was being spoken even if they clearly can't understand it like... Every time. Everybody has the common ones color-coded into their brain and just asks "Oh WaS tHaT iNfErNaL?! KiLl ThE wItCh!" for instance.

To be fair, it's pretty easy to recognize other languages without knowing them. I don't understand a word for French, German, Japanese, or Chinese, but I can absolutely recognize them with very little effort.

[Seven Sons of Sin]

Tying Bardic Lore to the Lore skill just makes it impossible to balance. (right? it's like monk balance changes with monk speed.)

Bardic Lore should be its own thing that comes with its own unique set of perks and characteristics that are tied to player-choice and bard level.

A rough idea, at level 4, a bard chooses either

a. History
b. Performance
c. Occult

A History bard gains scaling access to unique "examine" nodes across the nodule. They have some sort of unique interaction with bookshelves. They get passive insight bonuses when fighting/interacting at historic hotspots of the server (Light Keep, Wharftown, Baator, Ruins of Old Stonehold, Duergar, etc.)

Performance gain higher uptick of XP in taverns. Disguise bonuses. Higher bartenderthresholds. Access to unique merchants that sell them common NPC-specific attire.

Occult get bonuses interacting with planar creatures. Some sort of pseudo-warlock-lite abilities. Some sort of cleric-lite altar interactions.

Spitballing, but bardic lore being what it is shouldn't exist. Give bards something else.

[ReverentBlade]

Bardic lore not working for scrolls is abjectly silly. It seems like if there was any ability to boost scroll use, it would be Bardic Lore. Its like the ability and class fantasy was made for this. Take out the devalue checks for bardic lore plz.

[malcolm_mountainslayer]

Not gonna lie, I've seen people assume they knew what language was being spoken even if they clearly can't understand it like... Every time. Everybody has the common ones color-coded into their brain and just asks "Oh WaS tHaT iNfErNaL?! KiLl ThE wItCh!" for instance.

To be fair, it's pretty easy to recognize other languages without knowing them. I don't understand a word for French, German, Japanese, or Chinese, but I can absolutely recognize them with very little effort.

but do you know the difference between Mexican Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese?

[Subutai]

Not gonna lie, I've seen people assume they knew what language was being spoken even if they clearly can't understand it like... Every time. Everybody has the common ones color-coded into their brain and just asks "Oh WaS tHaT iNfErNaL?! KiLl ThE wItCh!" for instance.

To be fair, it's pretty easy to recognize other languages without knowing them. I don't understand a word for French, German, Japanese, or Chinese, but I can absolutely recognize them with very little effort.

but do you know the difference between Mexican Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese?

Brazilian Portuguese sounds like some kind of Romano-Slavic mashup language, so it's pretty easy to tell. Doesn't sound at all like Spanish.

[xanrael]

I have some doubts of someone completely ignorant of the languages being able to clearly differentiate Mandarin, Cantonese, and Japanese spoken by a non-native speaker (as I'd assume a mortal speaking Abyssal or Celestial to be). Might be reasonable to say "that's one of the tongues spoken by outsiders" more so than "that's 100% Abyssal".

[MissEvelyn]

I am still unsatisfied with that though. You can just copy phrase books. I won't specify what group that has them because FOIG (nya nya!) but I could literally go make a copy of every single language book - even Jotun - if I wanted. If you're part of any scholarly institution in the game you have access to -most- of them, if not all of them, and they can be copied.

gib language perks pls :'(

+1ing this for the sake of bards and tongue of sun/moon for monks. It was something really cool that's just kind of lost now :<

Agreed. It's one thing to discourage PvP with changes in the mechanics, a whole different matter when RP is being prohibited and massively discouraged by not letting us roleplay the classes that are supposed to be good at understanding languages. Bards and monks, that is.

[MissEvelyn]

Not gonna lie, I've seen people assume they knew what language was being spoken even if they clearly can't understand it like... Every time. Everybody has the common ones color-coded into their brain and just asks "Oh WaS tHaT iNfErNaL?! KiLl ThE wItCh!" for instance.

As for this, I also agree. Colors shouldn't show up if the language shows as [Unknown]. Or it could simply be an unused color for unknown languages.

[Vrass]

I find language books quite often with my bard.

Finding phrase books is easy just check any bookshelf in town and you will usually find a few though the ones i usually find are ones nobody cares about anyway such as goblin lol.

[malcolm_mountainslayer]

To be fair, it's pretty easy to recognize other languages without knowing them. I don't understand a word for French, German, Japanese, or Chinese, but I can absolutely recognize them with very little effort.

but do you know the difference between Mexican Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese?

Brazilian Portuguese sounds like some kind of Romano-Slavic mashup language, so it's pretty easy to tell. Doesn't sound at all like Spanish.

You can actaully use brazillian Portuguese the whole entire time one is in mexico and talk with all the locals as if you have the same language.

Ive used limite Spanish to talk to Brazilians and when i was in mexico my friend from Brazil literally spoke mostly Portuguese the whole time.

*edit*

I think area of Brazil may effect it too. I was quite surprised by your description.

[a1b2]

With all the new changes, perhaps it would be good to have a over all goal or aim by admins would be helpful for people to understand the goals of the changes and properly give suggestions/complaints.

As for the bard lore issues, this is now an ability that has been rendered moot and the ability to understand languages was something that was VITAL for many players character concepts.

Now if the intent was to make it so language was a much more difficult barrier because of X..... This is something admin WANTS to happen and aim for because of Y, rather than an unintended consequence of lore changes.