-optout Guidelines Could Be Clearer

[Ork]

Doesn't this sort of mean that if you're a marked character it's essentially being decided that part of your punishment is having to put up with gorey/uncomfortably explicit scenes or whatever else might make someone want to -optout? It's ultimately an escape hatch mechanism that creates a sense of active and ongoing consent for the capture rp. Being punished for using that ultimately means that part of your punishment is the loss of your freedom to consent or remove said consent to this kind of rp based on your personal comfort which seems unnecessarily vindictive.

A denial of consent is not an escape of consequences. We've got to be really careful with our language around consent here. I'm under the impression that when we log on we consent to being roleplayed at in a multiplayer environment. In my experience, consent as it pretains to Arelith isn't about roleplay at all but about how we operate our character. If someone emotes [puts a hand on your back attempting to usher you forward], that individual can't make you press the 'w' button - you have exclusive control over that action. However, just because you refuse to press the 'w' button doesn't mean you can escape further reprisals by the instigator.

In situations where instigators are being gorey & using explicit scenes, I'm certain you can always request a release from the captor then report, or log out and report. I think in instances where there's a clear rule break, DMs can give back lives (I think).

[perseid]

Doesn't this sort of mean that if you're a marked character it's essentially being decided that part of your punishment is having to put up with gorey/uncomfortably explicit scenes or whatever else might make someone want to -optout? It's ultimately an escape hatch mechanism that creates a sense of active and ongoing consent for the capture rp. Being punished for using that ultimately means that part of your punishment is the loss of your freedom to consent or remove said consent to this kind of rp based on your personal comfort which seems unnecessarily vindictive.

A denial of consent is not an escape of consequences. We've got to be really careful with our language around consent here. I'm under the impression that when we log on we consent to being roleplayed at in a multiplayer environment. In my experience, consent as it pretains to Arelith isn't about roleplay at all but about how we operate our character. If someone emotes [puts a hand on your back attempting to usher you forward], that individual can't make you press the 'w' button - you have exclusive control over that action. However, just because you refuse to press the 'w' button doesn't mean you can escape further reprisals by the instigator.

In situations where instigators are being gorey & using explicit scenes, I'm certain you can always request a release from the captor then report, or log out and report. I think in instances where there's a clear rule break, DMs can give back lives (I think).

I was being careful with my language. The -optout command creates a scenario of active and ongoing consent. Not that players are obligated to be taken prisoner but even if they are they are ultimately actively consenting to that rp in an ongoing fashion as long as they have the option of using -optout to escape the situation if it becomes uncomfortable. Limiting their ability to optout even if it's because they have something like a Mark is ultimately a restriction on their ability to continue giving the ongoing consent that the mechanic facilitates and by extension tying it to a punishment implies that part of your punishment is that the server deprioritizes how important your comfort with those sorts of situations is.

[DM Poppy]

Just for the sake of clarity, if you have a Mark of Destiny/Despair/Dauntlessness/Disaster and use -optout, does that count as a death for the death counter?

Yes

Doesn't this sort of mean that if you're a marked character it's essentially being decided that part of your punishment is having to put up with gorey/uncomfortably explicit scenes or whatever else might make someone want to -optout? It's ultimately an escape hatch mechanism that creates a sense of active and ongoing consent for the capture rp. Being punished for using that ultimately means that part of your punishment is the loss of your freedom to consent or remove said consent to this kind of rp based on your personal comfort which seems unnecessarily vindictive.

This is not to great of a concern. Firstly, it is a concent based system. If you don't want to take that chance, don't. It really is as simple as that. No one can force you into these situations.

The alternative though, is if you've gotten yourself into pvp and ended up in manacles, you've avoided the fugue so far by accepting them, so if you need to optout their is a good chance you'd have already been killed earlier if you'd decided to refuse them. At the point of subdue, refusing them is death.

Beyond that, their is so, so many viable options to break them. Amongst those is to simply send a polite message to your captor.

[Ork]

by extension tying it to a punishment implies that part of your punishment is that the server deprioritizes how important your comfort with those sorts of situations is.

This is true. The server does, at least in my experience, deprioritize your comfort in scenarios. If you don't like how a particular roleplay is going, you still have an obligation to roleplay - which includes suffering the consequences of leaving the scene. If there is rule breaks that's another matter, but generally players should engage in all roleplay how their character would act. You consented to the scene when you logged in.

[In Sorrow We Trust]

Just for the sake of clarity, if you have a Mark of Destiny/Despair/Dauntlessness/Disaster and use -optout, does that count as a death for the death counter?

Yes

Doesn't this sort of mean that if you're a marked character it's essentially being decided that part of your punishment is having to put up with gorey/uncomfortably explicit scenes or whatever else might make someone want to -optout? It's ultimately an escape hatch mechanism that creates a sense of active and ongoing consent for the capture rp. Being punished for using that ultimately means that part of your punishment is the loss of your freedom to consent or remove said consent to this kind of rp based on your personal comfort which seems unnecessarily vindictive.

The alternative in a lot of cases is just getting corpsebashed, truth be told.

[The GrumpyCat]

Doesn't this sort of mean that if you're a marked character it's essentially being decided that part of your punishment is having to put up with gorey/uncomfortably explicit scenes or whatever else might make someone want to -optout? It's ultimately an escape hatch mechanism that creates a sense of active and ongoing consent for the capture rp. Being punished for using that ultimately means that part of your punishment is the loss of your freedom to consent or remove said consent to this kind of rp based on your personal comfort which seems unnecessarily vindictive.

IF you are an MoD character, due to choosing it at start or recieving a mark of despair as punishment
AND IF you get into pvp and accept the manicles as an option
AND IF the roleplay is highly gorey/uncomfortable/explicit.
AND IF the other party won't agree to tone things down
IF all those tick boxes are filled (and lets be honest, we're really getting into super duper rare situations here) then what you do is take screenshots of the situation, log out, then send in a report to the DMs. We'll then look into the sitaution and if we think that yes, it was going well over the T line, or otherwise entirely unreasonble, we'll take action and help you.

But this is, as I said, a highly unusual and extremely rare situation. I'm not too concerned about it happening honestly.

As a player, when you entered the server, you agreed to T rated roleplay. If you are being subjected to roleplay that you feel is absolutly NOT T rated - either in terms of gore or in terms of sexuality, I personally have no issue with your right to simply log out - though I'd advise immedatly reporting such to the DMs.