Gift of wealth change concerns

[Void]

RPR is not an indication of cheating or not.

RPR shuts down anything that could be done through multiaccounting. Because new accounts start at 10, it takes time to get to at least 20, so anything gated behind 20 RPR won't be available to someone willing to buy a hundred cd keys to exploit something.
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As per the discord announcement:

From Sincra:
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More Gift of Wealth Changes, based on some of the Feedback:
-Now has a limit of 1000 * Character level per in game month for gold payout.
-Payout increased to 500 per 20 minutes.
-Payout increases further to 1000 at level 21.
-Month changes reset the limit.
-Will now actually payout the 20k on being taken.
-Text on the Gift menu is updated to reflect changes.

This sounds interesting. Though previous gift of wealth had most impact at early levels before (higher levels have more money) and now the cap is 1k per level. Still, initial 20k payout will offset that somewhat.

[AstralUniverse]

It seems a bit backwards because if mulling was the problem then now people can make infinite amount of characters with 20k gold.

[Sincra]

It seems a bit backwards because if mulling was the problem then now people can make infinite amount of characters with 20k gold.

Man. Am I going to have to triple tap this thing.

[Void]

It seems a bit backwards because if mulling was the problem then now people can make infinite amount of characters with 20k gold.

Man. Am I going to have to triple tap this thing.

Well, like I mentioned...
To put a lid on possibility fo making infinite number of characters, it is possible to restrict it to X GoW characters per CDKey.
And to put a lid on possibility of someone using multiple cd-keys, it is possible to restrict it to 20 RPR. Because new accounts start at 10 and it cannot be raised quickly.

[AstralUniverse]

@Sincra I really dont mean to disrespect your work in any way shape or form. I just think that, if the worry was mulling, then it seems to be easier now. :/

[Sincra]

I don't and never will take offence to honest feedback.

You are correct.

And thus, I confess.

SOON(TM), The Thirdening.

This will hopefully be the last of such iterations.

[AstralUniverse]

I don't and never will take offence to honest feedback.

You are correct.

And thus, I confess.

SOON(TM), The Thirdening.

This will hopefully be the last of such iterations.

Third time's the charm. I also suggest you decouple it back away from levels. It's supposed to be meaningful early. A character at lvl 30 doesnt care about it as much (or at all). It also reflects background family funds or whatever, not exactly factors which scale with levels.

[Aelryn Bloodmoon]

It seems a bit backwards because if mulling was the problem then now people can make infinite amount of characters with 20k gold.

Man. Am I going to have to triple tap this thing.

I would imagine that this particular behavior can be logged and used to flush exploiters for bans, rather than parsing additional restrictions directly onto the gift.

Some sort of conditional that alerts the DM team whenever:
A GoW character with less than X playtime/RP ticks deposits gold to an account other than their own character's (possibly managed by a tag that doesn't go away until X is met?), or gives more than X gold to any other character, or drops/places more than X gold on the ground/in a container that isn't in their inventory (including fixtures).

You could even make it impossible for such characters to drop/trade/deposit gold to any account but their own or a merchant NPC until their timer-tag goes away, and justify this IC on the premise of 'the wealthy don't get that way by throwing it all to charity.'

Wouldn't stop an old GoW character that was regularly played from dumping all their gold into a faction account, but I imagine other checks already exist for that or the conversation never would have come up in the first place. And if X time of RP is long enough, it not only stops people from insta-poverty-ing multiple GoW characters to mule, but also means that you could have actually gone out and earned more gold than you got from the exploit in the first place, which should be a pretty solid deterrent in most cases.

[MissEvelyn]

Slightly off topic, but I never understood why it is allowed/possible to have more than one active character in the same faction. It seems like there's bound to be conflict of interest.

[Eyeliner]

I posted the same thing about muling then immediately deleted since it occurred to me I didn't want to give anyone ideas!

Maybe the 20,000 could kick in after hours of play or when you hit level 10. Or just be added to your monthly caps until it's depleted.

[Archnon]

In 375 BCE Plato commented that changing rules to counteract criminals was like cutting off the heads of the hydra. Cut off one opportunity and two more will spring up. I feel like that is what you are up against with muling right now Sincra and I just wanted to commend you for the effort. I have mixed feelings on these changes. In the end, I'm not sure it will end muling, as it will still be done to cram CP onto an item being made, or to fully gear and coin your brand new character once you start anew. However, it is a start.

[Hazard]

Slightly off topic, but I never understood why it is allowed/possible to have more than one active character in the same faction. It seems like there's bound to be conflict of interest.

It isn't allowed.

[MissEvelyn]

Slightly off topic, but I never understood why it is allowed/possible to have more than one active character in the same faction. It seems like there's bound to be conflict of interest.

It isn't allowed.

Can you link to where the DMs / the wiki made this ruling? =)

[DM Janitor]

While for the moment the factions can allow you join factions where you have other characters, mechanically, it's always sort of been the idea no one would ever use it to further themselves and just use it to... do whatever. I am not going to make a ruling on factions without my other colleagues, however, what you cannot do and what we do catch....

Is use the faction bank with multiple pcs. If you are sharing a bank account between characters via factions. If you are transferring yourself money between other characters it will result in severe repercussions. Our general response is not just a warning / other punishments when become aware you're doing this (we know when you do) - but usually when its clearly identified as you exchanging gold between pcs we just delete the entire bank account and the accounts of the offending characters.

Sometimes several millions of gold disappear instantly.


dont do it

[DM Monkey]

I believe that a good rule of the thumb is to avoid having multiple active characters in the same faction.

This is not only a rule of thumb, but an actual rule. Don't have multiple characters in the same faction.

I already confirmed on the first page of this thread. You can also look here in announcements: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29889

edit: Janitor cleaned up faster than I could and he does it for free!

[DM Janitor]

Hey look at that. There's the other thing addressed.

so don't do that either

[Sincra]

In 375 BCE Plato commented that changing rules to counteract criminals was like cutting off the heads of the hydra. Cut off one opportunity and two more will spring up. I feel like that is what you are up against with muling right now Sincra and I just wanted to commend you for the effort. I have mixed feelings on these changes. In the end, I'm not sure it will end muling, as it will still be done to cram CP onto an item being made, or to fully gear and coin your brand new character once you start anew. However, it is a start.

I think this last pass I have prepped will make it a more available gift, which I am sure will upset some, but will also reward both low levels gradually and encourage them to go out and seek gold in a self sustained way.

The fact it only gave 5k initially, up until 10 or so hours ago, when taken is testament to the fact that is not why people were taking it.
So with that in mind, the new system will actually allow a level 3 to get more than 5k, but not all at once and not without playing. I will release the change notes for the upcoming change shortly.

[Hazard]

Slightly off topic, but I never understood why it is allowed/possible to have more than one active character in the same faction. It seems like there's bound to be conflict of interest.

It isn't allowed.

Can you link to where the DMs / the wiki made this ruling? =)

Yes.

I believe that a good rule of the thumb is to avoid having multiple active characters in the same faction.

This is not only a rule of thumb, but an actual rule. Don't have multiple characters in the same faction.

I already confirmed on the first page of this thread. You can also look here in announcements: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29889

edit: Janitor cleaned up faster than I could and he does it for free!

[MissEvelyn]

Thank

It isn't allowed.

Can you link to where the DMs / the wiki made this ruling? =)

Yes.

This is not only a rule of thumb, but an actual rule. Don't have multiple characters in the same faction.

I already confirmed on the first page of this thread. You can also look here in announcements: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29889

edit: Janitor cleaned up faster than I could and he does it for free!

Sweet, thank you!

[Tabby]

If its stops cheaters, im all in for it...
Its distasteful and should be stopped. So be it, it gives less gold.
I spend less time in NWN due to RL, and have a character with GoW, i dont mind the cut back.
After all, i enjoy the RP within Arelith, when i have the time. Its not for the gold i play.
In time, perhaps things will become cheaper, as the market will be overrun with high value stuff, and no one can afford it, it will naturally lose value, and shop owners will reduce the cost, to compete with each other.

In general i see all the recent changes as a very healthy approach for Arelith ( bidding on shop/houses, no multi character in factions, and this topic here, among others )

The very fact that people HAS to cheat, is so very dissapointing.

If you dont like the GoW as it is now, dont pick it then in the future..

[Void]

Above and including 21:
1000 per 20 minutes (ig hour)

On somewhat related note (not about gift of wealth), i kinda wonder sometimes why arelith has so many mechanics that increase power of epic levels further. Normally the idea would be to level the playing field, in practice already more powerful characters usually get access to even more powerful gear, items and abilities.

[Sincra]

Coming in a restart or few:
From Sincra:
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One last Gift of Wealth (GoW) Update:
-Now a minor gift.
-No longer gets 20k on being taken, this is now as follows:
=1k per IG hour for a total of 20,000, over 20 hours, not capped by the monthly limit.
=If monthly limit is met, this amount will not be paid.
=E.g. A level 3 has 3,000 as their 1000 per level cap, that is 6 payments of 500. You can get 6,000 over this same period from the extra 20,000.
=You will need to be level 10 to reach the full 20,000 bonus, or a month to pass in game.
=All existing GoW holders will receive this bonus over 20 in game hours as well.
-The above 20,000 bonus is in addition to the NORMAL 500 (1000 in epics) payout per IG hour, and the NORMAL 1000 per level pay cap.
-Unless anything extreme occurs, this will be the last update to the GoW from myself.

[CHBanger]

Will people who picked GoW under the old way be able to now swap to a different gift if they don't want this new version?

Thanks!

[Spyre]

Will people who picked GoW under the old way be able to now swap to a different gift if they don't want this new version?

Thanks!

No, gifts are permanent. There is not adjusting them.

[Floral Shoppe]

-The above 20,000 bonus is in addition to the NORMAL 500 (1000 in epics) payout per IG hour, and the NORMAL 1000 per level pay cap.

What does IG hour mean? Real life hour spent in game or 1 hour on Arelith's sped up IG time system?

Either way is it supposed to be working yet? I haven't seen any deposit to the bank or character's pockets.